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Jun 14, 2013 Fate Core Thought of the Day Demystif...

- June 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM -0400 - Updated: June 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM -0400
Fate Core Thought of the Day:  Demystifying the Fate Fractal, and the Nature of Aspects

(AKA, how are those even related?)

So, my first real exposure (in terms of playing Fate) was Spirit of the Century.  I had come from a long history of playing traditional games.  And so I saw Aspects and thought "Hey, neat!  Those are just like Advantages/Feats/Edges/etc.!, except you get to name them cool things and you can make anything you want!"  It seemed pretty obvious, and pretty cool.  Having figured that out, I went on to the rest of the system.

Except that I was wrong.  I couldn't have been any more wrong if my name was W. Wrong Wrongenstein.

This was just one of my first errors in understanding Fate, but it's a pretty significant one.  I was thinking of an aspect as primarily something that gave a bonus, and something that was attached to something else, like an adjective.  And you can make an argument that some aspects are like that, but it's really not a very good understanding.  An aspect is both simpler, and more complex than that.

An aspect, really, is a story element.  It is something, anything, that is important to the story in some way.  It's an 'aspect' of the story, if you will.

At it's most simple, it's something that the story is about.

I'm going to go back to 'narrative first' here.  We need to understand what is important to the story (at least at this point, this scene), and then we capture those things, stick little labels on them, and call them 'aspects'.

But what about characters, you may ask.  They're important to the story, clearly!  And they're characters, not aspects!

Ah-ha!  You have fallen into my trap, oh non-existent-person-that-I-put-words-in-the-mouth-of!  You're assuming that characters aren't aspects, but they clearly are!

Well, then how come characters have skills, and aspects don't?  I mean, clearly Pitch Darkness can't drive a car!

And here, perhaps, there's some presumptions made about what a 'skill' is.  A 'skill' doesn't represent training.  It represents the ability of a story 'aspect' to influence a scene, without being invoked by someone else.

Okay, that sounds like a bunch of crazy meta-talk, so let's try and get back to English.

A character is a story element.  It can influence a scene.  It does so by using skills.  What a skill represents, then, is the ability for an story element to influence a scene, without the influence of another.

So, what about Pitch Darkness?  It certainly can't drive!  This is true, which is why it won't have the Drive skill.  But, depending on the game and scene, it can influence things!  Darkness can make people paranoid, it can cause them mental stress.  Instead of having a bunch of rules for all of these things, Fate just handles it by saying 'Sure, Pitch Darkness can be active and influence a scene if appropriate.  Just give it skills'.

And this is one of the fundamental points of the fractal - that story elements can influence scenes, and they do those using 'skills'.

A character isn't really any different than Pitch Darkness.  It's just easier to lump up some commonalities of story elements controlled by players, and call it a 'character' by convention.

And story elements can have other story elements.  The character story element Han Solo is associated with The Millennium Falcon.  It's easy to call the Falcon a 'detail' of Han Solo since, if he wasn't in the story, the Falcon wouldn't be either.  So we declare The Millennium Falcon to be an 'aspect' of Han Solo (who is, himself, an aspect - a story element).  And, of course, the Falcon can have its own skills, and its own aspects (Hidden Storage Everywhere, for instance).

And that's a pretty good description of the Fractal.  But there's one piece that's missing.  A fundamental feature of fractals, in math, is that they have infinite detail.  You can zoom out of them, view them at a larger scale, or zoom into them, and see them at a tighter scale, and they still have equivalent detail.  That's pretty cool.  And it's pretty important to understanding the Fate Fractal, as well.

Let's say we're playing some fantasy game, and there's the setting aspect The City State of Warrington.  It's relevant to the story, so it's an aspect, and as such can be invoked or compelled.

Now, later on, our protagonists get closer to Warrington, and so it becomes more relevant to the story.  We can start giving it aspects of its own, such as Rules With An Iron Fist, Constantly Guarded, and Bloodthirsty Militia.  We can give it skills, like Conquer Other City-States:4.

Now, let's say that our protagonists get closer to the city.  The city is constantly guarded, but we want some more detail, so we can declare a Gate Guards aspect.  If the protagonists maintain their distance, an aspect, by itself, is probably sufficient to indicate their effect on the scene.

But if we get closer, we might want to have some more detail there, again.  Maybe we decide that there's a Fat Guard and a Skinny Guard.  As we get closer, maybe they get some aspects of their own.  And certainly, if we storm the gates, they'll need skills, and possibly equipment, and so on!  And even their equipment could get aspects - if a PC uses Create Advantage to declare that the Skinny Guard's sword is old and brittle, then so it is!

This is, fundamentally, what the Fate Fractal is really about.  It's about having a universal way of describing story elements, and their ability to impact the world.  It's about having the ability to describe these elements with the right amount of detail for the current scene.  I don't need to know specifics about the two guards if I'm a hundred miles from Warrington.  I need to know that it exists, and that it's oppressive.

But as I get closer, its ability to manipulate things becomes important.  I need to know more about how it impacts the scenes characters are in.  So the Fate Fractal gives me tools to flesh this out.  Even the guards go from being a generalized aspect (Gate Guards), to individuals, to individual elements containing skills, and possibly even sub-elements.

And none of this changes a single thing about them, at any point.  The guards don't suddenly 'gain skills' when I get close to them.  They always had them.  It's just that they weren't actually important until we were in a position to interact with them.  They didn't 'change' from 'aspects' to 'characters' - that's a false distinction.  They were always aspects, in that every story element is an aspect!  And they were always 'characters', because what else could a guard be?  But as we needed to know more about them, we detailed them out further, and when we didn't need that detail, we didn't have to think about it.  The city-state of Warrington didn't become a fractal aspect when we needed more detail - it's still 'an aspect', just one with less detail associated with it.  Nothing about its fundamental nature changed.

So if you have an aspect that needs to be active in a scene, just give it a skill!  There's no change in 'type' that needs to occur.  'Skills' is just how story elements impact scenes, without being driven by another story element.

It's all just aspects.  All the way down.

Until you reach the turtles.
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- June 14, 2013 at 4:52 PM -0400
"Until you reach the turtles."
There's only the one turtle and you have to get through / past the four elephants to get there.
- June 14, 2013 at 5:08 PM -0400
It's turtles all the way down.
- June 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM -0400 - Updated: June 14, 2013 at 5:13 PM -0400
- June 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM -0400
Yes, I caught your reference ;)
- June 14, 2013 at 5:23 PM -0400
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- June 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM -0400 - Updated: June 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM -0400
Very well put, as always. I've never really thought about giving things like "darkness" a skill, but now that you mention it, is is so bloody obvious. And I've even started giving spells skills to represent their complexity and power requirements for the wizard that is casting them. But never thought of taking it this far.

Thank you.
- June 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM -0400
Well, it's a different way of looking at what a 'skill' is compared to most 'traditional' systems.  A 'skill', in Fate (to my understanding) doesn't mean 'something I can do' or 'something I've trained in' or even 'something I've learned' so much as 'a way I can impact a scene'.

An example:  The TV show Castle.  Castle frequently uses his cash and contacts to help out.  If we look at this as a 'skill', it doesn't make much sense (he's skilled in... what?  Spending?)  But if skill = how you influence a scene, then it makes absolute sense.

And this latter definition is also easier to apply to inanimate objects, or even concepts and emotions, while the more traditional definition of 'skill' makes no sense if applied to something like Pitch Darkness or Love.

This is the thing that I find with Fate the most.  When I can get my head around these types of things, the game gets very simple, very elegant, and very obvious.
- June 14, 2013 at 6:25 PM -0400
Well, what are stunts, then?
- June 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM -0400
Mostly, modifications to skills :)  In general, they're exceptions to the rules for that particular entity.
- June 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM -0400
Huh? Come again? Which rules are you talking about?
- June 14, 2013 at 6:50 PM -0400
Whatever rules the stunt modifies?  Whether that's as simple as 'increase your normal skill in certain conditions', or whether it's something like 'you can make someone take a consequence on a hit rather than stress' or even some of the more freeform 'when you do x, y happens' stunts as seen in the FST.

Stunts are pretty wide open in terms of what they do.
- June 14, 2013 at 6:58 PM -0400
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- June 14, 2013 at 7:30 PM -0400
Very well stated piece.
- June 15, 2013 at 4:05 AM -0400
Neat! This piece must go (after asking autor's permit) in some www page to remain in history. A very good explanation of Fate Fractal in relation with aspects and skills. If +Robert Hanz give permission someone can immortalize in a web page? I don't have one and leaving here probably will be forgotten...
- June 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM -0400
Stunts are Aspects that have been narrowed and pre-fueled.

By narrowed I mean they no longer have the feature Aspects have of being interpretable in any number of ways; stunts have one way.  They aren't usable for anything where they might make sense, they're usable in the one thing they've been defined to do.

By pre-fueled, I mean you've paid Refresh for them (in theory... yeah, you get a certain number free based on the game). Which means at a cost of 1 fate point per session, they're considered to be invoked whenever their condition is met.  (Some powerful stunts have cost in addition to condition... consider those as special cases a bit more complex than this general discussion.)

Some stunts aren't exactly this... but many, if not most, are, and I think it's a good way to understand them in relation to this particular discussion.

Stunts, like aspects, are things that matter in the story.  But while their degree of mattering is similar to an aspect (same +2 bonus), their breadth of application is reduced considerably.  They always will matter when their exact situation applies, whereas aspects often can matter whenever anything gets close to them.
- June 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM -0400
Eh, while that's certainly true of the "+2 to skill in this situation" stunts, to be honest, those are my least favorite types of stunts.

That's why I like the 'rules exceptions' description for stunts - it gets players thinking "wait, I can get an exception to the rules!  That's cool!" and exposes the +2 stunts for what they really are - kinda boring (though they're clearly the most accessible for players coming from other, 'bonus-stacking' games).

On a slightly more meta-level, making them 'just like aspects' seems to mean we have two things (stunts and aspects) serving the same function, which is kind of inelegant.  I prefer to think of aspects as story elements, skills as ways that story elements influence the story, and stunts as rules exceptions.  This gives each one of those things a clear purpose, with minimal overlap.  I also think that language helps drive towards a better understanding of them - The Millennium Falcon acts a lot better as an 'aspect' when you understand an aspect to be a story element than it does when you primarily see an aspect as a conditional bonus.  Similarly, 'Burn' makes more sense as a skill when you think of a skill as 'how a story element (Smoldering Fire in this case) influences the story'.
- June 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM -0400
Oh, they aren't just aspects by a long shot. They're aspects transformed from broad, occasional impact to narrow, continuous impact.

Which I see as valuable in the other direction. After all, if a stunt does what an invocation could do (+2 bonus), then can an invocation do some of the other things stunts can do? Rules exceptions are a lot like permissions, aren't they?

Stunts and aspects enrich and inform one another, IMO.
- June 15, 2013 at 6:12 PM -0400 - Updated: June 15, 2013 at 6:13 PM -0400
Or, if I want to put it another way...

Aspects ARE
Skills/Approaches ACT
Stunts DO

Aspects are true, but by themselves they do very little.  They modify, enhance, permit, refuse, but they essentially simply are.

Skills and Approaches are the lever of action.  You use them to create/overcome/attack/defend.  They provide agency and option, but with the real possibility of failure.

Stunts do things when their trigger is met and otherwise sit there.  They don't act (though they can produce effects), they effectively aren't even there if the trigger isn't met (so are very unlike aspects in that way).
- June 15, 2013 at 8:22 PM -0400
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that.  I just prefer the 'rules exception' language due to the perceived impact on what players do with them :)
- June 17, 2013 at 1:46 AM -0400
Wow, this needs to be posted somewhere.
- September 06, 2013 at 8:18 PM -0400
+Jack Gulick That really helps me grapple better with the trouble I've always had with stunts, which is deciding when a piece of fiction should be an aspect and when it should be a stunt. Realising that they are aspects, transmogrified by alchemy, explains why I've always had a hard time separating them!

Realising they're so closely related makes me much less worried about getting the distinction right, which lets me get past that and get on with thinking about which would best serve the desired narrative function.